Just filed.... Car offers in the mail?

[debtmonster]

I haven't seen a single car maker offer a 100,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. All of the warranties only cover that stuff that never breaks down.

What they need to do is make the warranty cover the cooling system, A/C, power windows, locks and other stuff that always has problems. Those warranties only cover the "drive train". When is the last time you saw a transmission fail or an engine throw a rod within a 100,000 mile period?

All of the major problems always happen after the 100,000 miles. It's when the A/C evaporator under the dash gets a pin hole and leaks out all of the freon and then they want $1100 to fix it and it doesn't get covered under the warranty, THAT IS WHAT PISSES ME OFF!

I don't care about 100k drive-train warranties. I wanna see 100k A/C warranties and other stuff. And I don't want to pay $2,000 for an extended warranty. I might as well just pay the $1100 to fix the A/C then. The repairs are usually less than $2,000 in a 100,000 mile period.

[dogbone33]

I haven't seen a single car maker offer a 100,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. All of the warranties only cover that stuff that never breaks down.

What they need to do is make the warranty cover the cooling system, A/C, power windows, locks and other stuff that always has problems. Those warranties only cover the "drive train". When is the last time you saw a transmission fail or an engine throw a rod within a 100,000 mile period?

All of the major problems always happen after the 100,000 miles. It's when the A/C evaporator under the dash gets a pin hole and leaks out all of the freon and then they want $1100 to fix it and it doesn't get covered under the warranty, THAT IS WHAT PISSES ME OFF!

I don't care about 100k drive-train warranties. I wanna see 100k A/C warranties and other stuff. And I don't want to pay $2,000 for an extended warranty. I might as well just pay the $1100 to fix the A/C then. The repairs are usually less than $2,000 in a 100,000 mile period.

Transmission on 3 dodges, my mother in laws had almost 90k miles, needed new tranny

my hubbys had 60k new tranny needed

my moms 04 had 40k needed new tranny.....

none were covered under warranty....They get around it somehow.

[debtmonster]

Transmission on 3 dodges, my mother in laws had almost 90k miles, needed new tranny

my hubbys had 60k new tranny needed

my moms 04 had 40k needed new tranny.....

none were covered under warranty....They get around it somehow.

When you put in Amsoil ATF, that doesn't happen. That's what you get when you listen to the "DEALER" or "QUICK LUBE".

At 30,000 miles, you're supposed to be doing a transmission flush when not using Amsoil. I NEVER listen to those people who say, "Nah, it has lifetime transmission fluid." MY A&% it does! Dealers and mechanics want your tranny to fail so they can make big money fixing it! They'll NEVER tell you any tricks to make it run flawless. That would be shooting themselves in the foot.

This is why I am so scared to buy "USED" when people keep telling me to. I DON'T WANT OTHER PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS! Nobody ever properly maintains these things. People just do oil changes and think the transmission never has to be done, or they assume the quick lube is maintaining it when they get their oil change. NOT TRUE. You need to pay a good money to have the transmission serviced. For me to use that Amsoil fluid, I had to buy over 14 quarts at almost $8 or $9 bucks a quart and then spent almost $70 for a shop to use their flushing machine. Every time I've done this, my transmission runs like brand new for as long as I own the car. Nobody wants to spend this kind of money, hence there you go as proof that listening to other people and not putting Amsoil is a very BAD, BAD idea. Sometimes you'll get lucky and won't have a problem... but you're proof that's not true with that story of failed automatic transmissions (where I know Dodge is notorious for that.)

[IBroke]

I thought about getting an aftermarket warranty for our car, too, but first of all, the best warranties (OEM) end at 100K miles (and I'm at 94K now).

Now I found a good warranty but it costs about $1,200 on a car that was appraised $2,000 and here comes the catch: Their fine-print says they won't cover repairs exceeding market-value, so after I would have paid nearly the amount that car is worth for a warranty, they wouldn't pay the $2,500 bill for a new tranny in the first place...

[debtmonster]

That's why it's cheaper to pay out of pocket than to pay for the warranty. Everyone I know who uses Amsoil in the drivetrain NEVER, EVER has any problems with the engine or transmission. It's much cheaper to pay a little money for the oil than to shell out $2k for some extended warranty to cover your engine or transmission.

Once again, the DEALER IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. If you do what they recommend, you're are most certain to be doomed to failure with high mileage.

A friend of mine wanted to put Amsoil in his Durango. The dealer warned him not do, so he went with their fluid. 6 months later his tranny died costing him almost $4,000. That's exactly why no dealer wants people to use Amsoil.

The thing is, you want to start using this oil as soon as possible before any real damage starts.

Look how this guy went 409,000 miles on the same oil when he used Amsoil. I'm telling you, you people are out of your mind if you don't look into this stuff. This stuff has been saving me a fortune for YEARS.

If you are all scrimping to save money, this is one of the best ways to avoid multiple, unnecessary oil changes and to drastically extend the life of your engine and transmission. I am so broke, I cannot afford repairs. This is why I use this stuff. Everyone I know who uses it has had nothing but great luck.

Poke around on any of those sites I posted. Somebody there should be able to help you with what you need.

Here's another nice looking site as well. Lots of great info there.

Amsoil vs. Mobil 1

My advice... we're all broke. Don't be a fool and use cheap oil when you cannot afford to shell out big money to replace an engine or transmission. When your car dies, your freedom goes out the window!

[BillyRip]

When is the last time you saw a transmission fail or an engine throw a rod within a 100,000 mile period?

I blew a tranny out in an '01 GTP. I think it had something to do with a 7000 RPM neutral drop. LOL!!!! They covered it. I just said I was in the moutains and it snapped when I floored it.

Totaled the car 3 mos later.

[jeb]

I haven't seen a single car maker offer a 100,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. All of the warranties only cover that stuff that never breaks down.

All of the major problems always happen after the 100,000 miles. It's when the A/C evaporator under the dash gets a pin hole and leaks out all of the freon and then they want $1100 to fix it and it doesn't get covered under the warranty, THAT IS WHAT PISSES ME OFF!

I don't care about 100k drive-train warranties. I wanna see 100k A/C warranties and other stuff. And I don't want to pay $2,000 for an extended warranty. I might as well just pay the $1100 to fix the A/C then. The repairs are usually less than $2,000 in a 100,000 mile period.

Well, go check it out - and 10yrs as well. I can send you my warranty if you like.

That is why I decided to keep my car - unless I buy another Kia or Hyundai all I get is 3yrs.

Love my Amanti! - jb

[debtmonster]

Depending on the engine, wait until you have to get the spark plugs changed on a Kia or Hyundai. The 4 cylinders are easy. But something like the Kia Sorento or Hyundai Santa Fe... what a NIGHTMARE to change the plugs. The entire intake manifold has to be removed. It's a huge job to maintain the vehicle. They want as much as it would be to change stuff in something like a Mercedes!! They don't tell you that up front when you buy the car. This is to entice you to buy ANOTHER CAR once you hit 100,000 miles. Ugh!

You are all still insane to not use that Amsoil stuff. You're not saving any money by using the stuff you're using now. The gas mileage increase that you get from using that oil makes the oil free. If you want to avoid major break downs, that is the best stuff on the planet. I've seen vehicles go an excess of 900,000 miles on the same engine and transmission WITHOUT a rebuild. In most of our cases, that's like having our engines last many lifetimes.

Plus the nice thing about it is that you only have to change the oil ONCE PER YEAR. For somebody who commutes 50-100 miles per day to work, this oil is a Godsend! When I was putting 50,000 miles per year on my car, this oil was saving me a fortune in gas and oil changes. They have one oil that lasts up to 35,000 miles. All of their oils are 100% synthetic and are all made in the USA, so you're not only buying an oil that's better than anything on the planet, you're also supporting AMERICAN JOBS with this oil. When you buy conventional oil at a quick lube, those oils are refined from crude oil taken from places such as Iraq or Venezuela. That does NOTHING to help us here.

I have been so tight with money over the past several years. This has been one of my best kept secrets in keeping my cars running perfect. Unless you're disabled and not driving anywhere, 100% of the people reading this message should be investing any of those links to read up on these oils. You don't find any of this stuff in stores. It's all sold over the web. Quick lube places hate this stuff because they want people to come back often so they sell them all kinds of crap that they don't need.

This dealer has a lot of great info, too. Check this one out as well. Lots of good reading on there. If you love spending thousands on either replacing your car or you love a slipping transmission once you have high miles, then just keep doing what you're doing. Mechanics LOVE when you keep using cheap oils. When it comes time to overhaul and engine or rebuild a transmission, that's CHA-CHING for them! But if you want to be cheap and avoild all that BS, then I've provided enough dealer pages for you people to read. Remember, this stuff is sold in the mail, so all you need to do is go to any of those sites and those people will send you literature in the mail or will help you in some way or another. Ask them all what you need to use. Read all you can and all of you will save a FORTUNE in the long run. BELIEVE ME! In 70,000 miles of driving I've only changed my oil only 4x and I get 4 MPG better gas mileage! This stuff ROCKS! On a previous 8-cylinder I had, I got almost 5 MPG better gas mileage from switching everything over.

[SubPrimeME]

Depending on the engine, wait until you have to get the spark plugs changed on a Kia or Hyundai. The 4 cylinders are easy. But something like the Kia Sorento or Hyundai Santa Fe... what a NIGHTMARE to change the plugs. The entire intake manifold has to be removed. It's a huge job to maintain the vehicle. They want as much as it would be to change stuff in something like a Mercedes!! They don't tell you that up front when you buy the car. This is to entice you to buy ANOTHER CAR once you hit 100,000 miles. Ugh!

You are all still insane to not use that Amsoil stuff. You're not saving any money by using the stuff you're using now. The gas mileage increase that you get from using that oil makes the oil free. If you want to avoid major break downs, that is the best stuff on the planet. I've seen vehicles go an excess of 900,000 miles on the same engine and transmission WITHOUT a rebuild. In most of our cases, that's like having our engines last many lifetimes.

Plus the nice thing about it is that you only have to change the oil ONCE PER YEAR. For somebody who commutes 50-100 miles per day to work, this oil is a Godsend! When I was putting 50,000 miles per year on my car, this oil was saving me a fortune in gas and oil changes. They have one oil that lasts up to 35,000 miles. All of their oils are 100% synthetic and are all made in the USA, so you're not only buying an oil that's better than anything on the planet, you're also supporting AMERICAN JOBS with this oil. When you buy conventional oil at a quick lube, those oils are refined from crude oil taken from places such as Iraq or Venezuela. That does NOTHING to help us here.

I have been so tight with money over the past several years. This has been one of my best kept secrets in keeping my cars running perfect. Unless you're disabled and not driving anywhere, 100% of the people reading this message should be investing any of those links to read up on these oils. You don't find any of this stuff in stores. It's all sold over the web. Quick lube places hate this stuff because they want people to come back often so they sell them all kinds of crap that they don't need.

This dealer has a lot of great info, too. Check this one out as well. Lots of good reading on there. If you love spending thousands on either replacing your car or you love a slipping transmission once you have high miles, then just keep doing what you're doing. Mechanics LOVE when you keep using cheap oils. When it comes time to overhaul and engine or rebuild a transmission, that's CHA-CHING for them! But if you want to be cheap and avoild all that BS, then I've provided enough dealer pages for you people to read. Remember, this stuff is sold in the mail, so all you need to do is go to any of those sites and those people will send you literature in the mail or will help you in some way or another. Ask them all what you need to use. Read all you can and all of you will save a FORTUNE in the long run. BELIEVE ME! In 70,000 miles of driving I've only changed my oil only 4x and I get 4 MPG better gas mileage! This stuff ROCKS! On a previous 8-cylinder I had, I got almost 5 MPG better gas mileage from switching everything over.

So you should start a blog on this! Organize it in steps. I also think you know a thing or two about negotiating used cars as well! I think many of us will benefit from you doing this! I know I would!

[debtmonster]

I only know about used cars since I have done so much work on my own cars. Since I was a kid, I was always broke and could not afford to pay anyone to work on my cars. I've removed transmissions and changed clutches on my own. I've replaced motor mounts, timing chains and other stuff. Lots of stuff to get my hands dirty, even though I was not a mechanic.

I know people who run shops. I've seen what happens with the people who buy whatever they can at the auto part store to do the 3,000 mile oil change. The car always runs great in the beginning, but then once a ton of miles get racked up, that's when the problems come. The car manufacturers depend on these problems so people will trade their cars in.

After seeing the headaches people have had and the thousands spent on repairs, I always look for a way to avoid that by not copying what those people did. I want to buy a new car and have the ability to drive 300,000 trouble-free miles on it from the day I bought it off the lot.

I know LOTS of people out there put a ton of miles on their cars. You can find tons of cars that are only 5 years old with 100,000 to 150,000 miles racked up on them.

Do the math... if you change your oil every 3,000 miles, that's 33 oil changes using cheap oil. Just because an oil company has nice commercials and pretty pictures in magazines doesn't make their oils top notch. That's all fancy marketing.

Depending on the car you have, Amsoil has a 25,000 mile motor oil. For those with many European cars, they have a good oil, but it doesn't do that 25,000 mile stuff.

I don't know about you guys, but around here, oil changes are like $30 bucks ever since the cost of oil went up.

So if you put 100,000 miles on a car and do 33 oil changes (plus no less than 33 hours wasted driving to the place and taking time away from family and what not)..

33 oil changes x $30 bucks = $990! (Not including tax or gas wasted to drive to pick up all that stuff.)

Now I do the same thing with this Amsoil stuff... but instead of doing 33 oil changes, I can often do 4 to 6 oil changes in that same 100,000 miles of driving.

Amsoil is more expensive than that cheap crap, but you get what you pay for. I pay almost $50-60 per oil change, but it lasts 8x longer.

So $900 vs. $240. And for $240, I am getting an oil that makes my engine virtually never wear out!! ZERO SLUDGE! I've seen a van go over 900,000 miles. They took the engine out and put the parts under a micrometer and it had only 1% wear!!!!!!!!

If 50 people see my posts, no less than 48 should be ordering that oil. You're simply throwing money away by not using it.

And to go a step further, with my gas mileage going up 2 to 4 MPG... I can break it down even further.

Look at the fuel savings for 100,000 miles. A 2 MPG doesn't seem like much, but let's say that you decided to switch and you got a 2 MPG gain in all that time.

Let's say your car or truck was getting only 18 MPG and we'll say that gas was $2.00/gallon.

Do the math...

100,000 miles divided by 18 MPG = 5,555 gallons of fuel in all that time.
At $2 per gallon you would have spent $11,110 in fuel to drive that distance.

Now with the Amsoil difference and a measly 2 MPG gain...
100,000 miles divided by 20 MPG = 5000 gallons of fuel in all that time.
At $2 per gallon you would have spent $10,000 of fuel in all that time.

That's an $1,100 savings simply by switching oil brands! If you spent $240 on the Amsoil in 100,000 miles and saved $1,100, SIR, YOU JUST GOT FREE PRODUCT!!

How anyone could now know about this product and not decide to use it is very foolish.

I just did all of you a huge favor by telling you about it. And now with people not wanting to get rid of their cars and keep them for a long time, there has NEVER been a better time to use something like this.

And for anyone to tell me, "Ah, who drives more than 15,000 miles per year anyway?"

Here's proof that those people are wrong. Look at all of these 5 year old cars with an excess of 100,000 miles on them! ALL of these people should have been using Amsoil in all that time. 100,000 miles in 5 years would have only required FIVE OIL CHANGES in all that time!!

124,000 in 5 years

135,000 in 5 years

164,000 in 5 years

114,000 in 5 years

105,000 in 4 years

See... lots of people commute and rack up miles. If these people only found out about Amsoil in the beginning, they would not need to sell their cars. They would all run like brand new today even with all of those miles.

All of you should be thanking me for telling you about this. You all will be able to save a fortune after I took all this time to explain it to you.

I posted this on here because this is a bankruptcy forum and people are looking for any way they can save a dime. So I found this product very appropriate for people like us who penny pinchers.

[debtmonster]

So you should start a blog on this! Organize it in steps. I also think you know a thing or two about negotiating used cars as well! I think many of us will benefit from you doing this! I know I would!

I would love to, but then if I ran my own site and started putting links to it, people would say it was a conflict of interest and I would start getting ragged on for promoting my own site. So I found those dealer sites and posted them instead. Some of those people have some cool looking sites anyway that tell some of the same info I posted. No need for me to run a blog since those dealers got it covered.

[jeb]

You are all still insane to not use that Amsoil stuff. - DM

DM, you seem to be a nice guy but Amsoil has been around for years and if it was the beall for everything auto there wouldn't be another product on the market.

Is it good? Maybe. Is it markedly better that other products on the market? Maybe.

But if it was THAT great, every product on the market would be copying it.

I too, in the past, have put huge miles on vehicles - WELL over 100,000 miles - and had very few problems with them - from my 1965 GTO, '61 Corvette and many other vehicles.

Have never had to replace a transmission - rebuilt the engine myself on the GTO.

Just 'normal' brakes, etc.

ALL WITHOUT AMSOIL - just plain old off the shelve oils, etc.

The people that believe in it - as you do - really believe in it but if one takes 'normal' care with a vehicle built in the last 10 years or so, that vehicle should go several hundred thousand miles with few problems.

I must admit, however, that several of the cars I have put way over normal miles on were Hondas - unquestionably the best cars ever built over the long haul. - jb

[blankslate]

Back on the topic...

I only got one dealer offer in the mail between filing on 12/05/08 and last week. Suddenly this week I'm getting at least one a day. Weird thing is, case was dismissed and closed and is still waiting on a motion to reopen. I wonder what they're seeing in my public record that I am not?

[pcn]

Since we've veered so far off track, I'll add a little. For those who might try to go 33k between old changes, I'd have to ask them where they think all the contaminants go? Synthetic oil has no magic to it, it only resists thermal breakdown better. And for anyone who thinks the laws of physics, dynamics, etc are any different for US built vs. European vehicles such that they require different lubrication, well, there's just not much you can say... I do have this nifty carburetor I'd be willing to sell. It gets 100 MPG. But you'd better get it quick, the oil companies dont want me to tell you about it...

[debtmonster]

You are all still insane to not use that Amsoil stuff. - DM

DM, you seem to be a nice guy but Amsoil has been around for years and if it was the beall for everything auto there wouldn't be another product on the market.

Is it good? Maybe. Is it markedly better that other products on the market? Maybe.

But if it was THAT great, every product on the market would be copying it.

I too, in the past, have put huge miles on vehicles - WELL over 100,000 miles - and had very few problems with them - from my 1965 GTO, '61 Corvette and many other vehicles.

Have never had to replace a transmission - rebuilt the engine myself on the GTO.

Just 'normal' brakes, etc.

ALL WITHOUT AMSOIL - just plain old off the shelve oils, etc.

The people that believe in it - as you do - really believe in it but if one takes 'normal' care with a vehicle built in the last 10 years or so, that vehicle should go several hundred thousand miles with few problems.

I must admit, however, that several of the cars I have put way over normal miles on were Hondas - unquestionably the best cars ever built over the long haul. - jb

Once again, there is no advantage of doing all of those excessive oil changes.

Is it better than oils? It's an absolute fact that it is. It's not an option. They pay an independent company to do ASTM testing to prove that Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, Castrol, Pennzoil, Royal Purple, Red Line, Lucas and all of the other products out there.

You don't seem to understand what the other oil companies are trying to accomplish and who they are working with. I have personally talked to quick lubes and auto part stores about them carrying Amsoil so that way I would not have to order it and bring it to a place to put it in. They have all told me the same thing, they do not want to sell such long lasting oils.

I have already proven the numbers to you that Amsoil is superior to whatever you are using. You can go change your oil 33 times for every 100,000 miles while I can change mine every 4. How is that an advantage to use an inferior oil and change it more often?

What if you had to change your tires every 3,000 miles instead of 40,000 or 80,000? How would you feel about doing that for a daily commuter car?

You are dead wrong when it comes to this stuff. You do not know your facts about oils. Just because your car ran without a rebuild is luck. As you read from the posts on here, many other people have had transmissions fail LONG before 100,000 miles.

When you see American cars go 300,000 to 1,000,000 miles without an engine or transmission rebuild, that is unheard of.

Lincoln with 475,000 miles.

Amsoil is good for the CONSUMER. It's not always so good for the RETAILER. That's why you never see the stuff in stores. What's good for our interests is not always good for the interest of the consumer.

However, that's not my problem. I simply DO NOT WANT DRIVETRAIN PROBLEMS. I cannot emphasize that enough. I am broke and cannot afford a break down. All I can do is cheat the system by using this oil.

You are simply GAMBLING with your engine and transmission if you're not using this oil. I am not a gambling man.