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    Stupid hypothetical

    Actually more of a "what if" than hypothetical since there is a pretty good chance of this happening.

    I am a month (or so) away from confirmation. So far trustee has been fair, and we are looking at a reasonable payback with a livable plan. However I just found out that there is a likely chance that I will end up with a large ($150K) cash payment within the next 6 months.

    Not counting student loans, my wife and I have about $240k in unsecured debt, including a stripped $150k 2nd mortgage and minimal priority debt (couple thousand). My wife and I are both professionally employed, gross income of about $210k per year.

    While I understand that we would end up giving most (all) of the $150k to the trustee if we stayed in our plan, wouldn't we be able to able to dismiss the chapter 13 and then negotiate with the unsecured creditors outside of the CH13 protection? If I had the $150k right now, it would be an easy decision. I just don't know how it will all work once we are confirmed and in our CH13. Would this be possible? Advisable? Would it work? Seems like creditors would jump at the chance of getting paid around 50% payback (gotta save some $$ for taxes from potential settlement) versus the 20% or so they are getting in the plan.

    I understand I give up the protection of the automatic stay and all the fees/interest/etc pile up from the date of filing, but it seems like either way I lose the $150k. One way I am still in CH13 for another 4 years or so, the other I am out.

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    If there is a good chance of your situation occurring at any time during your chapter 13, you need to discuss all this with your attorney.
    _________________________________________
    Filed 5 Year Chapter 13: April 2002
    Early Buy-Out: April 2006
    Discharge: August 2006

    "A credit card is a snake in your pocket"

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      #3
      Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
      If there is a good chance of your situation occurring at any time during your chapter 13, you need to discuss all this with your attorney.
      Indeed. Found out this news yesterday, have a scheduled call with him this morning.

      I was hesitant to post a question based on a something that hasn't happend yet, but I should also clarify a bit - I WILL end up with some type of large payout, it is just the amount that is in question. $150k is a good estimate, but it could be higher, could be lower.

      I was just curious if folks here had any input as to whether this strategy would work.

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        #4
        Wow! That's great and it sucks all at the same time. I looked a lot at debt settlement before I decided to do a BK (hoping to file this Friday). I think with that kind of available cash you could be very successful. There is another forum for do it yourself debt settlement and the credit card settlements that people report on there are anywhere from 20% to 60%. The longer you hold out the better it gets but some are more difficult than others. It really depends on who your credit cards are with. After I missed my first payment with Chase, they flatout told me they would settle with me but I never pursued it because I knew I was going to file.

        One lawyer I consulted with told me that if I filed and it did not work out that it would be easy to get settlements, but I was talking about doing a ch 7 then. I think it would be the same with a 13. The key to getting settlements is for them to think there is nothing more to get, so you would have to be very careful about telling them where the money is coming from for the settlement.

        The 2nd mortgage will be the hardest, but again, I think it depends on who it's with.

        In any case can you refile if it does not work out? That way you will have a chance to plan out what to do and maybe spend down some of the money on household repairs, IRA etc? I'm sure others can be more helpful here.

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