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    Attorney says convert to 7 and let house go

    I am so glad I found this forum because there is a wealth of information here. Even so I still have some confusion over my situation.

    I have been in chp 13 since Mar 07 and have made most payments on time. The one's that were missed were due to my job forcing us to take unpaid time off and a paycut. My attorney modified my payments to a lower amount and said he cannot lower my payment anymore and I will have to live with it. I am about $1500 behind in my payments to the courts which he says that I can make up if I were to stay in the 13.

    Okay here comes the problems. The summer before last a huge tree fell on the back of my house and I had to come up with $1000 deductible. The gas price surge in the last year sent my budget out the window. I had a leased SUV which was costing my $120 bucks a week in gas and of course the courts didn't care about that for anyone. Don't count the record gas bill for my house because that didn't matter either as far as the courts were concerned. The bricks under my front porch caved in 3 months ago and I had to pay $800 to fix that. I have a sewer problem that has cost me about $1000 over the last year and half and keeps growing. My child support of $500 bucks ended in August 09, and my kid went off to college and preparing to send her with all the stuff she needed cost me an arm, leg, eye and lots of hair. And the final blow is that my mortgage resets this March adding an additional $300 per month.

    Oh yeah and imagine this? I ain't got enough money to pay my property taxes and I am just stressed to the hilt. I purchased my home in 2005 for $252K and depending on which online appraisal you choose, is worth about $120K to $150K. The home next door to me just sold for $80K

    Anyway I am robbing Paul's mother to pay Paul and Peter! I talked to my attorney about it and he says let that anchor of a house go. He says that I can convert my 13 to a 7. He says that I can live here and save up my mortgage money for a rental 6 to 9 months. With me being so intimate with my new best friend, Mr. Murphy's Law, I almost welcome walking away from this money pit. Funny thing is that I really did love my home when I first bought it but who in the heck foreseen this economic travesty that hit everybody?

    I have read many stories of people converting but I thought if you made over a certain amount of money that you couldn't file a chp 7. I want to believe what my attorney said but I am just a bit nervous that there is something that I don't know. I mean in summary, what happened to my income and expenses from the time I first filed is that my income has been decreased about $600 per month and my expenses will increase about $350 starting in March with my home.

    Is there an income limit on converting from a 13 to a 7? Is there any particulars about converting to a 7 and surrendering the house I should be aware of? Am I even thinking clearly by entertaining letting my house go? I am so confused I just don't know what to do.

    #2
    there are income guidelines for a chapter 7 but if your attorney said to convert then you must qualify.

    I would do it in a heartbeat. I hope that wasn't a "new" house that is falling in around you. I definitely would walk away from the money pit. Include ALL debt in your chapter 7 and then start over.

    He is right, in many states you won't have to move out right away and can live there until it is foreclosed.

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      #3
      Originally posted by rrockinggramma View Post
      there are income guidelines for a chapter 7 but if your attorney said to convert then you must qualify.

      I would do it in a heartbeat. I hope that wasn't a "new" house that is falling in around you. I definitely would walk away from the money pit. Include ALL debt in your chapter 7 and then start over.

      He is right, in many states you won't have to move out right away and can live there until it is foreclosed.
      Thanks for saying that about the house. But by doing so I can't help but feel like a looser for even having pleasant thoughts of letting go of my home . I guess I will just have to deal with that because at this point I do want a fresh start. I don't want another credit card EVER! Obviously I haven't been the greatest financial planner so it's best to stay away from those. If I don't have a nest egg in place with some spare cash to buy what I want then I don't need it.

      As for my income, I thought the reason that I had to file the 13 in the first place was because I made too much money ($77K). He said something about being well above the median income. So it befuddles me to understand how if I made too much money before, how it would make a difference enough now to file a chp 7. That's what I can't understand. And will that be 2 cases or will a conversion be considered one?

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        #4
        Oh yeah rrockinggrammaa, I see that you are in Michigan. I live in the metro Detroit area in Oakland County. Do you know where I can view the foreclosures? I am pretty sure, minus the loosing feeling that I have, that I am not paying my mortgage anymore as it doesn't make sense because I can't afford it. I feel like I would just throw good money after bad, so I want to keep an eye out on the status. Uggghh, this is so hard to do.

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          #5
          IDK - welcome! I am also in Michigan (Washtenaw County)

          I am relatively new here as well, but can say with 100% certainty that you shoud in NO WAY feel bad about letting go of an investment that is valued at over $100k less than what you owe on it.

          It is a business decision. Nothing more.

          It doesn't make you a loser at all. If it wasn't for being able to (hopefully) lien strip off a $150k 2nd mortgage, I would be in your same situation.

          Good luck to you. Hopefully your attorney is correct that you qualify for a CH7.

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            #6
            I'm rather sensitive to money pit houses since I HAPPILY surrendered my Michigan Money Pit! Ironically, I endured similar issues. I replaced my sewer line years ago to the tune of $5k and recently discovered the tiny section that was sleeved, not replaced, is collapsing (replacement will require uprooting my front lawn/landscape and removing my porch). My "historic district" house is sinking, literally (the main beam needs to be replaced). From a non-literal perspective, it has sunk deep underwater as well. My roof needs repair. And...I had a tree fall on my car two years ago...plus, one fully uprooted in front of my house two months ago (the sucker missed my house, unfortunately!). My money pit was the deciding factor in BK. I have no shame in my decision. I determined months ago, if I were to receive negative feedback from foreclosure unfriendly neighbors, friends, or family members, I would kindly offer them the opportunity to feed their hard-earned money into my money pit. Thus far, no one has offered. In fact, I've received considerable support and encouragement.

            You're entitled to those pleasant, surrendering the pit thoughts! You are not a loser. You've embarked upon keen financial planning...give yourself credit (just refrain from credit cards )!
            *Filed: September 23, 2009 *341: November 4, 2009 *Discharged: January 4, 2010 *Closed: January 20, 2010

            Hakuna Matata...it means NO WORRIES!

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              #7
              don't feel guilty in the least. In 2001 I surrendered my home (felt bad but couldn't be helped) I was able to live there an entire year with no payments. In Michigan it takes a least a year to foreclose

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                #8
                All thanks so much for your kind words. It really does make me feel a lot better and especially the fact that there are other people like me who have been through the same thing.

                Well 2010 starts off with a big bang then. My attorney says that I have 6 to 9 months before I will have to be out so I will save that money so that I can move into a nice cozy apartment. Hopefully I will be able to put all this behind me and move on with my life. Thanks again for the advice everyone

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