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    Ch 13 ??

    Ok, I am way over the income for a CH7 and the 1st attoney I spoke with stated that I would have to do a 13. (I plan to interview more) I have a high amount of secured credit, mainly my home.

    After paying taxes and my secureds, reasonable living expenses, etc I will have little to pay unsecureds...maybe nothing. He told me that does not matter and that a 13 can be for like $100.00 a month. I would wipe out ~150k credit cards and likely ~150k second mtg. Almost all of my assests are exempt...could be a few thousand left over. He also stated that the court might not allow me to keep my home even though I could pay the mtg in a Ch13....any thoughts on this?

    My understanding is that I can keep my assets even if slightly over the exempt amounts as long as the unsecureds were paid at least what they would have been paid in a Ch7. So if I had 6k non-exempt and kept them, then as long as I paid at least 6k in Ch13 I would be fine and not have to liquidate them. Mainly cars that are paid off.

    He also told me that I only have to provide an expense worksheet 1X (at the beginning) and that would be what they utilized for the entire 5yrs...so if my income went up quite a bit it would have no effect on having to pay more later. Any thoughts on that?

    Another question is that assuming my income goes up (very certain it will) then would I still have to get court permission to buy a car or anything down the road since I supposidly only have to do a budget once?

    Also, does anyone know how it works on exemptions with only 1 spouse fileing in a non-community property state...The debts are all in my name we are talking about.

    #2
    My BIG word of advise and I am a newbie at this. If your high income you are going to be scrutinized more than someone who is slightly over median income. From what I am learning, and its something new everyday, the trustee is going to try and squeeze all and more out of you . Go to a few lawyers before you decide and research on here as well as on your own about the details of a Chapter 13.. Wish I would have started like 6 mths before I filed.... but the creditors came a knocking and I jumped ship
    Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones
    Chapter 13 filed 10-21-09
    Discharged 4-13-15

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      #3
      Originally posted by daytona View Post
      Ok, I am way over the income for a CH7 and the 1st attoney I spoke with stated that I would have to do a 13. (I plan to interview more) I have a high amount of secured credit, mainly my home.

      After paying taxes and my secureds, reasonable living expenses, etc I will have little to pay unsecureds...maybe nothing. He told me that does not matter and that a 13 can be for like $100.00 a month...
      You need to speak with a couple of more attorneys! It does matter. Unless you have arrears (are behind) on your mortgage or cars, there's no reason to do a Chapter 13 if you qualify for a Chapter 7. Another reason for a Chapter 13, may be to strip off a 2nd/3rd mortgage... and it reads as though you're very underwater on the home.

      I'll say this again if I haven't already said this 100 times in this forum. What qualifies you for a Chapter 7 is that your disposable income is less than a particular threshold. Your disposable income generally needs to be below $109.00 (but being less than $182.50 may also qualify you). There are many over-the-median income filers on this forum who have successfully gone through a Chapter 7.

      If you're trying to save your home and you want to strip that 2nd, then the Chapter 13 makes sense. I just don't like it when anyone just looks at your income and says you don't qualify for a Chapter 7 because you make too much. (Sure, there's a ratio that indicates that the more you make over the median, the less likely you are to qualify to receive a discharge in a Chapter 7. However, based on actual results, many do still qualify!)

      I suggest interviewing a few more attorneys for your own due diligence!
      Chapter 7 (No Asset/Non-Consumer) Filed (Pro Se) 7/08 (converted from Chapter 13 - 2/10)
      Status: (Auto) Discharged and Closed! 5/10
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      Any advice provided is not legal advice, but simply the musings of a fellow bankrupt.

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        #4
        Thanks for the replies....Does anyone have any input on only having to do a budget 1X in a CH13 (at the beginning) and that is it?

        Also if I pay cash for a car while in a CH13 would that need TTEE approval?

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          #5
          You will need to do a budget every year and adjust as needed. There are way too many variables involved to try to do a budget just once and then expect that that will be that.

          As for taking on new debt while in a Ch 13, from what I have read here, you will need the trustee's permission to do that. Whether or not you will be able to pay cash is another matter. You sound like you won't have that much cash left over after making your payments if you do end up doing the 13.

          Good luck!

          Edited to add: After reading elsewhere, it is possible for you to save up cash for an emergency fund--which is a good idea--and save up cash for an older, reliable used car. Then you don't have to bother with the trustee.
          Last edited by AngelinaCat; 11-18-2009, 04:52 PM. Reason: Added last paragraph
          "To go bravely forward is to invite a miracle."

          "Worry is the darkroom where negatives are formed."

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