top Ad Widget

Collapse

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

First year down-experience, questions...

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    First year down-experience, questions...

    Hi all. I haven't written in a long time. We filed over a year ago and have four more to go.

    Well, as you can expect we were confirmed. Rather quickly actually - within a few months of the 341.

    I'm still Mrs. H. and there is still a Mr. H. and we are still married through all of this. We are still parents to cats whom we love to no end.

    I don't frequent the forums much, because, for me, personally, it is how I have been getting through this. The constant reminder is daily anyway. Thank you, to all, though who are here when needed, no matter how constant of a visitor you are. Thank you, also, BKForum, for being the first "happy birthday" e-mail I receive each and every year...

    The eternal question for newcomers to Chapter 13 is always - what will happen and will I survive this?

    Well, in our experience the last year has been a rollercoaster. The fact is that in our situation we agreed to a Chapter 13 that was unrealistically restrictive with no budget for anything. Food was a stretch.

    And our lawyer? Well, we always say that we taught him how to do a Chapter 13 bankruptcy. A nod again to this very forum.

    Yet, now after a whole year of time, we are still left with questions.

    I still do not understand where the rules of giving up your tax refund and reporting everything to the Trustee are coming from-? We were never told that our taxes would be reviewed yearly and they haven't been so far. All we got was a confirmation saying "pay this amount" - no rules were ever handed to us at all. We still report everything that happens to the lawyer, yet we are told to "just keep paying" - that's all.

    Also, here's one they don't tell you about - if you included any delinquent mortgage payments in your Chapter 13 plan, you will not be able to use whatever percentage amount those payments came to for a tax deduction. Yeah, it sounds odd to me, too. Unless, perhaps our accountant is as crumby as our lawyer-?

    What they say is true, also. There will be plumbing troubles, air conditioning troubles - even if your system is pretty new - and your mother (who was not recognized by your Chapter 13 Plan, but still lives with you in your house) will lose her job. Well, at least in our case that's what happened.

    And, in the last two days, someone from PSE&G will be very rude to you and the cherry on the sundae will be that you will, for the first time in your life - get called for jury duty.

    So, how did we get by to this point? We took on extra work. We did call the lawyer first, as useless as he is. Some family helped in little ways. We had tiny garage sales.

    Some will flip out, but my advice to you is this - do what you need to do to survive your time in the plan. Within the legal limits of the law, of course.

    Otherwise, do whatever you can to get that Chapter 7.

    Thanks for listening and I wish you all well,

    Mrs. H.
    March 2008 - Filed Chapter 13
    May 2008 - Confirmed
    May 2013 - Discharged / June 2013 - CLOSED

    #2
    Seems you have similar feelings as we do.
    It is a creepy system with all kinds of poorly documented ways of doing things.
    Everyone should go in prepared to negotiate, within the law. Otherwise all those flat tires, service calls, and medical bills are still going to happen and you won't have any flexibility to work with.

    My advice for people would be as others here have said after their first year or so.... learn to live on a budget. Find a way to save WHILE on the plan. It can be done. We have been amazed at the amount of money we used to just blow through... but just didn't see it. I can't imagine what it will feel like to have the $1800+/mo staying in our account...

    21 months complete / 39 to go
    260 weeks down / 0 to go! Awaiting close & discharge.

    The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing. ~John Powell

    Comment


      #3
      Good luck to you going forward. I can also relate to you on this.

      I come to BK Forum almost daily now and that shows how far I have come. I was terribly depressed when I filed back in 09/2005 (live-in boyfriend had died 8 months earlier), I was in total denial about everything, totally in debt and desperate when I filed. I let my lawyer set up everything, did not know to stop paying things before I filed and was stuck with a very tight budget that was approved 3 weeks after my 341 meeting.

      My hot water heater died on the day my first payment was deducted from my paycheck. I nearly committed suicide at that point! I finally called a friend and they determined a $20 thermostat would fix it. (that worked for 2 years)
      My car had over 100,000 miles at the start and had one thing after another go wrong before I replaced it in 2008 (thank you Dad). I actually drove this car for 2 years with a transmission that would not downshift and no real working headlights...had to use daytime running lights!!

      I had health issues that were only getting worse are much improved now...yes medical bills I had to find a way to pay! My house had to wait, most everything is falling apart and someday will get fixed.

      My 36 months were the 36 months where gas prices increased on a daily basis and were the worst ever in history. But I got through it with no changes to my plan.

      Now it is 7 months after my original 36 month plan was supposed to end and I am still paying! But now I can tell you that the light at the end of the tunnel is no longer the train coming at me...it is finally the way out!

      Here is where I am at now:

      I am happier than I have ever been in my entire life,
      I met a wonderful new man who I am crazy about,
      I quit smoking after 33 years on 10/3/07,
      I hang my clothes to dry instead of using the dryer,
      I rarely go to the bar for a few drinks,
      I think about everything that goes into my shopping cart,
      I replaced my old electric hot water heater with a used gas hot water heater, ($150 on a radio shopper program and only 3 years old!!),
      All my bills are current,
      Have paid my last payment to the Trustee, now waiting on the review so the final payments can be made and my payroll deduction can stop,
      Looking forward to feeling rich again,
      I take care of me first now,
      I started to ride bike,
      I found this site after I had paid in for 35 months...that was when I first did any research on Chapter 13; until then I just did what they told me. Well did I ever get an education here.

      Finding this forum was the best thing I ever did. I feel so much better about myself now! And I found 13datacenter, and now I have a contact at my Trustee's office that I can ask questions via email. Screw that useless lawyer I hired!

      Enough rambling...good luck and check in here often. It will be worth it.

      Comment


        #4
        There's nothing better than true survivor stories to help all of us 13ers see that there is hope if we can hang in there and roll with life's inevitable punches.

        Congratulations on being survivors, Deerme, 13inIN, and Mrs H - thank you so much for sharing your Ch 13 personal stories and ways to make Ch 13 a success with us!
        I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice nor a statement of the law - only a lawyer can provide those.

        06/01/06 - Filed Ch 13
        06/28/06 - 341 Meeting
        07/18/06 - Confirmation Hearing - not confirmed, 3 objections
        10/05/06 - Hearing to resolve 2 trustee objections
        01/24/07 - Judge dismisses mortgage company objection
        09/27/07 - Confirmed at last!
        06/10/11 - Trustee confirms all payments made
        08/10/11 - DISCHARGED !

        10/02/11 - CASE CLOSED
        Countdown: 60 months paid, 0 months to go

        Comment


          #5
          I will always say that a chapter 13 is the best budget teacher in the world and a big eye opener as to how one wasted money prior to filing.
          _________________________________________
          Filed 5 Year Chapter 13: April 2002
          Early Buy-Out: April 2006
          Discharge: August 2006

          "A credit card is a snake in your pocket"

          Comment


            #6
            Also a year into my plan. I stopped gambling and it is amazing how that changes everything. I have a great attorney and he has done great things. However, he cannot live my life day to day. I am the one that has had to make the hard choices and I am the one who has had to make my plan work month to month. I have actually had fun with it because I have treated it like a game. I try to see how much I can save per month and without gambling it is unbelievable. I can sleep at night and I feel better about myself. I have a financial game plan for the first time in my adult life. Four more years to go so a lot could happen but when I get discharged I will not make the same mistakes again. Chapter 13 has taught me to live on a BUDGET.

            Comment


              #7
              Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
              I will always say that a chapter 13 is the best budget teacher in the world and a big eye opener as to how one wasted money prior to filing.
              Indeed. By the end of my case, I was saving almost 1/3 of my take-home pay, and bought my first house less than two months after discharge using what I'd saved. Even paying extra principal monthly to turn my 30-year loan into a 15-year one, I'm only paying the equivalent of my rent + trustee payment, so my after-discharge budget hasn't really changed. (Utilities are a bit higher, but not anywhere near enough to wipe out that portion of my income I can save.)
              I now categorize every penny I spend -- and I still 'waste' dollars on frivolous things now and again, but when a pinch appears, I know exactly where to tighten up to find the budget space to loosen things up again. It generally doesn't take me more than a pay period now to regain some frivolity.

              Comment

              bottom Ad Widget

              Collapse
              Working...
              X