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    After Chapter 13: My big new adventure & problems. Could use experienced help.

    I apologize that this is fairly long, but I wanted to give a clear background to my questions at the end. Thanks!

    Well today my last Chapter 13 payment is waiting to be picked up by the mailman. No more trips to 7-11 for money orders, thank goodness. Took over 4 years, and I doubled up most of this last one, and I'm just about free. As soon as the last payment posts I have my completed financial course certificate to send my attorney. No credit balances, no student loans, nothing. Ahhhh.

    So while the paperwork gets done and I'm waiting on the discharge, I have some planning to do and some thoughts would be appreciated.

    I'm 11 years into a mortgage on my condo. It's a VA loan and other than a number of late payments about 5 years back, no problems. I owe about $67,500, and in today's awful market it's worth somewhere between $85k and $95k. I haven't talked to an agent so I don't have a more solid estimate, but there are other very comparable, even identical condos here to go by.

    But I need to move, as soon as possible. I don't mind breaking even on the sale if need be, or even bringing a few thousand to the table if absolutely necessary. I'd like to get away with $10k in a perfect world, but it wouldn't be terrible to purchase my next home in this depressed market that we're in, either. You can use VA loans more than once and I don't need to have really any money to close on my next home.

    Here's the rub: I'll need around $12-$15k in repairs and upgrades just to sell, and to do that in the reasonable future, I'll need to secure a loan somehow. Problem is I don't really know all that much about loans or credit requirements, and I've never borrowed against my home equity even when that was all the rage.

    Now coming fresh out of a Chapter 13 I know I'll have some difficulties. I'm trying to come up with a reasonable course of action to put myself in a position to be granted the needed loan in a year or less, and really try to optimize my credit. I've built up a small savings ($2,000) and can now add about $400 a month to it, and have around $6,000 in my retirement fund if I run into a dire--as in funeral costs dire--crisis.

    What is prompting this move is the age and health of my fiance's parents, they're getting up there and we need to be closer. Normally the thing to do would be to save up until the repair money and moving costs were in hand, but that could take 2 years or more.

    So, with all of my situation in mind:

    1) What kind of loan makes sense? A personal loan from a bank, some kind of refi, cash out equity? I don't know a thing about the differences.

    2) Does having home equity make any real difference to lenders, or am I just a FICO score?

    3) Is what I'm hoping for unrealistic in a year or less? I see people getting car loans shortly after BK, for considerably more than what I'm looking to borrow.

    4) I'm willing to make credit improvement my #1 hobby if it will help accelerate my cause. I'm not a believer in quick fixes and my experience has given me far more financial discipline than I've ever had, but I'm not above doing whatever will help maximize my credit rebuilding process in the shorter term. From my perspective, I've been rebuilding my financial standing for nearly 5 years already.

    What I'm really trying to find out from those who have been there is: What would you do if you were me?

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    Any thoughts at all?

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      #3
      sell the house with an "as is" clause, lower the price / concede allowances to reflect the needed repairs - then enjoy your move

      I think you need to look at this from a realistic point of view - houses / condo's just arent selling - the market is saturated with foreclosures. To do the repairs by taking out a loan (even if you can find a lender who will loan to you) will result in you paying out more than you do now - taking into account that it could take a year or more to sell (even repaired).

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        #4
        I'm with Pandora on this one. You shouldn't incur any debt that you don't absolutely need to incur. Price the property appropriately in an as is contract and negotiate the repairs(if you need to) with the buyer as a credit against the sales price. I don't know what the improvements/repairs might be, but in most cases the buyer's taste and desires are not going to coincide with what you would do to fix the property for sale. If I were buying, I would much rather have a credit for carpeting and pick out my desired colors and quality.

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          #5
          Thanks for your responses (I had given up on this thread for dead, sorry I'm just seeing them).

          I appreciate the as-is suggestion but it's not viable. I discussed it with several local real estate pros on Thursday, and the problem is that there are just too many fixer-upper/needs work-type condo units clogging the local market. The market for everything real estate is weak of course, but move-in ready units are more in demand. The as-is value is about $65k, where the $12k reno would make this unit very competitive against others that have been selling in the $85k range. The numbers just don't work any other way, we're talking about a $7k net loss after selling expenses going as-is (I couldn't do that much), versus going the loan/repair route and coming out ahead by a few thousand after repaying the loan. It's a $10,000 swing.

          Now while we would prefer to relocate as soon as possible, if we secure a home improvement loan, do the work, and it doesn't sell, we are prepared to stay in the unit and carry the loan for a little while. If nothing else we could at least live a little better with the repairs made in the meantime. And build up a little more savings/401k (aka emergency funds, which I really don't want to use unless critical)/pay down the mortgage (about $140 comes off the principal per month).

          I'm just wondering about how other post-13 folks have gone about home improvement loans in general, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's ever come out of bankruptcy having put off home repairs. It's a little frustrating because I have some potential equity, and if I could access it and put it back into the house, we'd come out of this just fine.

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            #6
            I don't have personal experience in this because I am still in my Chap 13. But, at least one person has posted here about being able to get a mortgage while still in Chap 13. So, I am sure it is possible to get a home equity loan fresh out of a Chap 13. A personal loan is probably going to be harder to get. The less you borrow in comparison to the value of the property, the better. The best way to find out whether you can get a home equity loan is to consult with an experienced mortgage broker. Ask some of the real estate pros you talked to for a referral.

            On another note, unless you are old enough to not pay penalties on a 401k withdrawal, don't think of your 401k as an emergency fund. If you don't have a separate emergency savings, you might want to decrease your 401k contributions for a while and build up a separate emergency savings account.
            LadyInTheRed is in the black!
            Filed Chap 13 April 2010. Discharged May 2015.
            $143,000 in debt discharged for $36,500, including attorneys fees. Money well spent!

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